A sister and I in my congregation had this discussion a couple of months ago. In light of the ever increasing number of partakers, we were discussing whether or not the number 144,000 was literal (YES!!! These conversations ARE taking place in the congregation by people who are considered "strong" JWs!!) In the course of the conversation, I said that I didn't know how it could be literal in light of how many martyrs died in the 1st and 2nd Century. She went with the party line of...yes, they died for their faith, but they had apostasized.
I asked if she thought the anointed who died in Nazi Germany were martyrs. She said yes. I asked her how they differed from those early Christians. They had incorrect beliefs also, cross, holidays, etc., but we excuse them because they did it unknowingly. Then, I asked why we do not excuse the early Christian R&F, who might have had some wrong understandings such as those brothers and sisters in Germany, but who died horrible deaths for their beliefs and faith in Jesus.
No answer....dear in the headlights expression. You could literally see her mind churning.
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